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🎙️The Day Everyone Had to Tell the Truth (AUDIO ONLY)🎙️

• Anthony Casanova and Nalee Her • Season 2 • Episode 10

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This is your sign to text your fave unlicensed therapists. (That’s us).

😬 Imagine if everyone lost the ability to lie for 24 hours.

No fake compliments.
 No “I’m fine.”
 No HR-safe responses.
 No vague subtweets.
 No pretending.

Just raw, unfiltered honesty… and absolute societal collapse.

This week on Twin Tangents, Anthony and Nalee spiral into the terrifying, chaotic, and occasionally hilarious reality of what would happen if everyone had to tell the truth for one full day.

Because let’s be honest…
 most of society could not emotionally survive that.

👉 Audio listeners: if you want to see the facial expressions behind the panic, judgment, and “oh absolutely not” reactions, head over to YouTube.

We’re talking:

🗣️ Brutal honesty culture → what happens when nobody can soften the truth anymore
 📱 Social media with zero filters → honest captions, real opinions, and influencers in absolute shambles
 👀 Family dynamics exposed → awkward dinners, long-held grudges, and truths nobody was prepared to hear
 💼 Workplace honesty disasters → corporate culture, fake professionalism, and coworkers finally saying what they actually think
 💔 Relationships under pressure → honesty vs. cruelty, emotional damage, and who absolutely should’ve stayed quiet
 😬 Truth or consequences → the difference between transparency and being unnecessarily reckless
 🎭 The death of pretending → fake friendships, forced politeness, and social survival tactics disappearing overnight
 🌀 Would honesty fix society… or destroy it? → trust, vulnerability, chaos, and the terrifying reality of human thoughts

This episode is chaotic, brutally honest, and deeply unserious — while somehow still making us question whether society functions purely because people lie a little.

Because maybe the truth sets you free…
 or maybe it ruins Thanksgiving dinner forever.

Quick disclaimer: Due to technical difficulties toward the end of recording, the final few minutes of this episode may sound different than our usual sign-off and portions of the audio are missing. The chaos was unfortunately stronger than the equipment this week.

It’s messy, hilarious, mildly existential — and probably proof that some thoughts should stay inside your head.

🎙️ Motto of the week:
 If everyone told the truth for one day…
 society would need a recovery period.

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Hosted by Nalee & Anthony—this is your safe, spicy space to spiral. Expect adult content, hot takes, and high-functioning chaos.

And yes, we call our listeners H.O.E.S.
 (Hilarious. Over it. Emotionally unstable. Spicy.)
 It’s not an insult. It’s a hoe-mmunity.

If you can turn a three-word text into a 45-minute psychological breakdown… welcome home.

Nalee’s Hypothetical Hotline exists for the people who rehearse arguments in the shower and lose sleep over imaginary conversations. Submit your spirals. We’ll spiral louder. And with microphones.

Because if we’re overthinking, we’re doing it professionally.

Love drama but hate being involved in it? Perfect.

Twin Tangents Court is our fast-paced spin-off where we judge everyone so you don’t have to. Dating disasters. Friendship felonies. Domestic disturbances. We try the case. We deliver the verdict.

New episodes drop every other Friday at 8 AM Central. Bring your coffee. Bring your screenshots. Court is now in session.

Pride Month isn’t just glitter and hashtags—it’s visibility, safety, and unapologetic joy. In our “Rainbow, But Make It Real” segment, we’re cutting through the rainbow capitalism to spotlight real stories, real love, and real respect. Whether you're out, questioning, or just vibing in your truth—we see you, we celebrate you, and we’re here for the real Pride. 🏳️‍🌈💖✨

Just when you thought the chaos was over—Anthony and Nalee invite you to keep the tangents going. With a soft outro vibe and one last wink to the listener, this post-roll points you toward the Twin Tangents website and socials for more unfiltered content. Because if you’re still here, you clearly get it… and we love that for you.

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ANTHONY

Lights, camera, and me without a stitch of makeup on.

SPEAKER_00

You don't need makeup. You're beautiful the way you are.

ANTHONY

Don't you forget? How's it go? It is what it is. If it is what it is.

NALEE

It is what it is, is what it is. Alright, well.

ANTHONY

That part.

NALEE

Welcome back to Twin Tangents, the podcast where chaos is mandatory and subtly subtlety is optional. Fucking up from this get-go.

ANTHONY

Speaking English for the first time. Today we're asking the ultimate question.

The One-Day Truth Experiment

ANTHONY

What would happen if everyone had to tell the truth for just one fucking day?

NALEE

No filter, no white lies, no, I love it when you actually hate it.

ANTHONY

No social niceties. No, I'm fine when you clearly are losing it.

NALEE

Basically, the world's politeness system explodes. And we're all front row for the chaos.

ANTHONY

So buckle the fuck up. This tangent is going to get brutally honest, wildly uncomfortable, and most likely hilariously chaotic.

NALEE

Alright. Well, our first segment is truth bombs in everyday life.

ANTHONY

Let's start small. Like brutally small.

NALEE

Your barista's asking if you want oat milk, truth. Your friend is asking if they look good. Truth.

ANTHONY

Suddenly, every conversation feels like a grenade waiting to go off.

NALEE

Let's talk about how one day of honestly could wreck honesty could wreck or refresh our daily lives.

ANTHONY

What did you want to talk about for our first time?

NALEE

Oh, okay. We could talk about mine first. My first one is social media honesty. And this one I'm attacking myself because you know, everybody posts exactly how they feel or they don't really How should I say this? Social media honesty is like for me, you know, again, I'm attacking myself. I post photos with filters and stuff like that. And if we didn't have filters, like legitly, like I would be so sad. Or, you know, like people actually posting

Social Media Honesty Gets Ugly

NALEE

how they feel and not how they want other people to perceive them. You know what I mean?

ANTHONY

Yes. But Was there more that you had to say to that?

NALEE

Or do you want me to I was I'm thinking about it. Why don't you go ahead and say what you want to say and then I will comment on the rest?

ANTHONY

So I think there could be a lot of damage if people like spent one day just being honest on social media. But I feel like we're at the same time, we're almost like halfway there as it is. I'm like, so just for like example, I'm part of some like groups on Facebook for, you know, I like to go cruising.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah.

ANTHONY

And so I'm on like a lot of like cruising Facebook groups to like get advice and tips from other people. And it never seems to blow my mind. And this is just an example of how much damage it could potentially cause if we just had one day where everybody was honest on social media. And I hope I'm like talking about what you were like hoping to go for with this. But like it never seems to blow my mind the people that like will like post in the group and they'll be like, first time cruiser here. I'm I'm going on my first cruise in two weeks, and I have a question about this. And then some fucking asshole who's like, I've been on 37 cruises in the past five years. And they're just blunt and honest and like rude to this person who's posting, and they're like genuinely seeking like advice and like, dude, you were a first-time cruiser at 1.2. Don't be a fucking prick.

NALEE

Yeah. Are there actually people like that though?

ANTHONY

Like a thousand percent. Yes.

NALEE

That's insane.

ANTHONY

It's sad, it's sad.

NALEE

It's like the smallest power trip. You know what I mean? Like the tiniest power trip.

ANTHONY

That's that's what it is. And I, you know, I've talked about these two on my on the podcast before, but like the I've had it girls call that they call people like that keyboard warriors because they wouldn't have the fucking balls to say that shit to your face, but they get behind uh their cell phone or their laptop and they're like, heh heh, hehehehe, I'm better than you, and you fucking suck at life. Like, say that's my face, bitch. You wouldn't say that's my face because you're a fucking coward. Okay. That's all I have to say about that.

NALEE

Damn, he got angry, y'all.

ANTHONY

I think it could I think it would cause a lot of damage if people just spent a day being brutally honest, especially on social media. And I think that the fact that it's on social media versus in person makes it that much worse.

NALEE

Yeah. I agree. I think what I was gonna say was I think it'd be nice to kind of just get like, I think we've talked about it before, the authenticity of like people instead of like, you know, this is gonna be like a wayside. I always go to the dark side. I don't know why. But like, you know, like couples who are in like an abusive relationship, right?

ANTHONY

Like What the fuck is with you in abusive relationships? This is like our at last episode all over again.

NALEE

Okay, no, okay. I'm sorry. It's like, it's the only example I could think of that is like in my head. So again, I don't mean to go dark, but I'm just saying that like I'm we need to start therapizing you. I'm already in therapy. I don't think there's much therapizing you can do on top of actually going to therapy. I need to go into a fucking like. A fetish? What?

ANTHONY

I don't know. I'm just saying it's a recurring issue.

NALEE

Okay, well, I'm just saying, okay, you know, it doesn't have to be abusive. It's just a toxic, there. A toxic relationship, right? Bitch, have to maybe rethink my whole fucking thoughts now.

SPEAKER_01

You fucking said it.

NALEE

Okay, but hold on, let me fix this real quick.

SPEAKER_01

I don't know if I'm centered or not. Maybe not. I don't know. Whatever. Okay, there it goes. It was bugging me.

NALEE

Okay, so let's say that you're in a toxic relationship. Didn't gotta be abusive. You're in a toxic relationship and you post up photos. It could be a friendship. Actually, it's not about abusive relationships anymore. It's about a friendship that's toxic. And you, you know, you post up things about your friend and stuff, but you're like constantly talking shit about them. Why don't you just like not post about them and just you know what I mean? Like, I don't know how to word I don't know how to phrase it because again, I have to rethink my whole thoughts because you was biasing me on like abusive relationships and whatnot. But let's just say, like, you were in a toxic relationship with your friends and you're posting up all these happy photos of them, but in reality, like you don't even fucking care about them. Like, why do that? Why don't you just not do that and not do that? You know what I mean?

ANTHONY

Thousand percent. I think the example that you're using that just ties back into the, you know, our previous conversations about what's the word, grading their social media to give this whole perception. Like, I have the best of friends and we like to do all these things. We're so fun. And then meanwhile, off of social media, they're secretly like Anthony's a fucking dick. He fucking wears ugly ass clothes and he blah blah blah blah. But they don't want the world to see that because they just want to hide that from people.

NALEE

Because they some fake ass bitches, fake ass bitches.

ANTHONY

Be real.

NALEE

Like that's the end. That's honestly my whole argument that I want to say is like stop being some fake ass bitches. Like, who are you being fake for? If at the end of the day, you're only being fake for yourself and you're lying to yourself. Why? Why would you need to do that? Why, Brenda? Why?

ANTHONY

Exactly. You know, like why, Brenda?

NALEE

Why, Brenda? Why? And then, did you want anything to add anything else to that? That's literally my spiel on that topic.

ANTHONY

I want to add two things to that. So the first thing is, God, it's really getting hot in here. Um, take off all your clothes. No, I'm just kidding.

NALEE

It's hot in here. So take off all your clothes.

ANTHONY

Nobody wants to see this.

NALEE

We want to see it. I want to see it.

ANTHONY

Trust girl, you don't. Oof. The first thing that I want to say is what the fuck ever happened to the whole if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all. That is one of my biggest pet peeves, especially on social media. Like, if you don't like a post, if you don't like or if you disagree with something, scroll the fuck past it. Why are you taking five seconds, 30 seconds, 10 minutes out of your life to be a keyboard warrior and be like, it sounds like I'm being it sounds like I'm being hypocritical because like I'm consistently posting things on my social media, but I'm not like commenting. Like, you don't have to feed into the negativity and like comment negative things like that you disagree with. Just if if I I'm just gonna use this for an example, and because you know how I stand on this and how I feel about this, and we're not trying to make the podcast political. But like if I post something about Pete Buttigieg, you know, that I would like for him to run for president, that's his last name.

NALEE

Oh, what the fuck is go on.

ANTHONY

Pete Buttigieg. So if I post something about politics on. So if I post something that, like, oh, I would love to see Pete Buttigieg run for president 2028, like, and you disagree and you see it because we're friends on social media, scroll the fuck past it. Why are you taking time out of your fucking life to stop and comment? Come on, he doesn't need to run for president. Like, just scroll the fuck past it if you disagree. Yeah. Like, what happened to the days when it was like, if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all.

NALEE

I mean, we've experienced this firsthand. Remember, with our pride, again, our pride post. Like, that shit went haywire. Perfect example. Yeah, it's all these people coming out of the fucking wazoo messaging us on like a post that we're just trying to promote like pride, and they get all butthurt about like other stuff. And I'm just like, where did you come from? You know what I mean? Yeah.

ANTHONY

Like, like you don't follow us.

NALEE

Yeah.

ANTHONY

You're not one of our listeners, you're not one of our viewers, and all of a sudden, some random tiny little podcast from Wisconsin makes a pride post, and the fucking morons come out of the woodworks from nowhere.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah.

ANTHONY

To be like, it's Veterans Month. Well, first of all, it's not Veterans Month, you're fucking moron.

NALEE

Yeah. There is already a month for that.

ANTHONY

But it's like, I just don't get it. Like, what purpose? What are you gaining in life by taking you're literally losing time out of your life to just feed the negative energy.

SPEAKER_01

Pretty much.

ANTHONY

Which again sounds like an oxymoron ish, because sometimes I'll post things on social media, voicing my negativity towards certain things.

NALEE

But then that's your social media. You know what I mean? Like it's the fact that it's your social media. You do what you want. Yeah, you do what you want with it. But if you're trying to comment on somebody else's and you're trying to put your like own opinion on it, yes, of course, everybody's entitled to that, to their own opinion. But if you're commenting on somebody's like thing and you're trying you're saying like a mean thing on purpose, or you're trying to like irk them or whatever, then see it to their face. Like, why you gotta make a fake account? You know what I mean? Or like, why? Like, why? Why would you do that, Brenda? Why?

ANTHONY

And that's even worse. If people are going out of their way to make all these like fake accounts so that they could troll other specific accounts or something, like come on, get a fucking life. Yeah. Okay. That's all I had to say about that. Okay, thanks. Bye.

NALEE

K thanks, bye. All right. My next one is customer service meltdown when people finally tell retail workers what they really think. I think for me, it's it could be the opposite, too, where you know, retail workers tell customers exactly what the fuck is on their mind. Because obviously you and I, we've worked at the further, we've experienced this on the fucking daily. Like people calling to ask you the dumbest questions ever. You're just like, really? Really? Really? Ask that question to me again. Really? You

Retail Truths And Customer Rage

NALEE

know, and it's just like it could go both ways. You know what I mean? It's just I I agree with that, but I'm so stupid sometimes.

ANTHONY

That part, that part a thousand percent, ten times over to infinity and beyond that part. And I'm just gonna be able to do that. Like sometimes I just oh go ahead.

NALEE

Go ahead.

ANTHONY

Go ahead. No, go ahead.

NALEE

No, go ahead, go ahead, go ahead.

ANTHONY

I was just gonna say, it's one of those things where I literally just want to look at people and be like, do you hear the words? Like, listen to what you're saying. Yes, yes. How are you that fucking stupid? How have you made it this far in life? Oh my gosh. That's a little harsh, but okay. It's not, it is not. No, no. That is a hell I will die in. There are people out there. You cannot sit there and tell me that you've never had a conversation with somebody and you've said, How have you made it this far in life? Like, how are you still breathing?

NALEE

Well, what I was gonna say was I didn't want to discriminate because I am part of this group. So now, when you say that, yeah, I've asked that. I've asked myself that.

ANTHONY

You've asked yourself what?

NALEE

How could how did I survive this long?

ANTHONY

How have you survived this long?

NALEE

How have I survived this long? Sorry, that's my dryer.

ANTHONY

You're fake. Are you are you doing a little? I know you're on your bed. You're doing a little something under the blanket.

NALEE

A little bit. Yeah. I was like, whoa, what the fuck was that?

ANTHONY

You get a new rose or something?

NALEE

You're like, Ew, hell. How did I do that? Ew, no, don't do it. Don't do it, don't do it.

ANTHONY

Oh, so wait, you've said that to yourself? Like, how have I survived this long?

NALEE

Yeah, sometimes. Where I'm just like, dang.

ANTHONY

Really?

NALEE

Yeah, like I'm kind of dumb.

ANTHONY

You're not, though. I'm talking about like the dumb of the dumb people. This is such this is so I'm gonna get canceled for this episode. This is gonna be the episode that cancels me.

NALEE

Anthony, I'm part of that group, Anthony.

ANTHONY

You're not. You've you've asked dumb questions, but you've never asked a dumb, you've never asked a question so dumb that I'm like, how are you still alive?

NALEE

I would like to rewind up some of our episodes. And just look at your facial expression. That it says it all. But Right now? You know what? No, in general. Like sometimes when I say oops, when I say stupid things, or if I ask a stupid question, your face is just like like that. So I'm just like, okay, I'm sorry. I'm sorry, Wilson. I'm sorry.

ANTHONY

Okay, I want you to send me clips of like a specific episode because I honestly I don't like I said, I think you've asked dumb questions, but you've never asked a question dumb enough where I was like, how would you do that?

NALEE

I should do a reel of all of your facial expressions. I think that would be fucking hilarious.

unknown

Fucking hilarious.

ANTHONY

Why did I not do that?

NALEE

Why did I not think of that?

ANTHONY

Oh it would be like one of those reels of like Dan Levy from Shits Creek.

NALEE

Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's a real quick no for me.

ANTHONY

That's a real quick no for me.

NALEE

That's the kind of shit that, yeah.

ANTHONY

But I think you you made a really good point with regards to like customer service meltdowns. I think it's gonna work more the other way. For like if you're like retail workers, like retail workers telling customers.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah.

ANTHONY

Like God, I used to work at American Eagle, and some of the questions we would get to.

NALEE

But I think I think like what I was talking about is you know how like I said it could be on both sides, right? So obviously retail workers or the workers telling, yeah, telling the customers, and it's the flip side of like when like for example, at Walmart, there's never anybody at the fucking register. You know what I mean? And it's just like, what are you guys doing? Like, uh don't come for me, Walmart workers, don't come for me. I'm just saying that like, don't look at my finger. Well, now you're looking at my finger, but anyways, my nail broke.

ANTHONY

I was like, wait, does this have something to do with the vibrator noise we just heard five minutes ago?

NALEE

Oh my god, you're gonna find somebody with the the tip of my nail. Anyways. Yeah, I think it's these two though, I think, right? I don't know. Anyways, I don't know what fingers you use.

ANTHONY

Anyway, you do what works best for your vagina.

NALEE

We don't do that here. What the fuck? Anyways, anyways. Let's skip, let's skip, let's skip that. Anyways, so I've lost my train of thought.

ANTHONY

Walmart workers, no cashiers. Walmart workers.

NALEE

So there's no cashiers. Walmart workers don't come for me. I'm just saying that like a lot of the times, and I've seen it before, I'm sure you've experienced, I'm sure our listeners have experienced it, where like when you actually need to go to a line that has that has a worker, there's nobody there. Like everybody's gone. And like they rely on self-checkout. And even when you're at the check self-checkout area, like the person who's supposed to help you at the self-checkout area is doing whatever the fuck something else. And you're just like, bro, you not see my light, it's turning red. You know what I mean? And then they act like it's such an inconvenient for them to come over, and I'm just like, it's your fucking job. Like, why are you fucking mad at me?

ANTHONY

Okay, Nolly. Oh, go ahead. Go ahead.

NALEE

That's it. No, that pisses me off. But again, don't come for me. I'm just saying, I'm just saying, this is what I experienced. So y'all do with what you want.

ANTHONY

You you just open up a can of worms. You're gonna regret opening up.

NALEE

Let's let's open it. Or whatever that there's my vibrator.

ANTHONY

Getting up Oh girl, you do what you gotta do. You need me to step aside. You need me to put a visual on the screen. I guess some Henry Cavill on here for you.

NALEE

Oh boy. Oh boy.

ANTHONY

Okay.

NALEE

Okay, take a look. Take a deep breath. Place myself up in my soapbox. Yes, yes.

ANTHONY

I completely understand what you're saying. For as many we'll use Walmart specifically. For as many registers that are in that store, why the fuck do you have like three lanes open with a human cashier? That's my first point. My second point, if you're gonna have self-checkouts, don't you dare have somebody fucking stop me at the goddamn door and be like, I need to see your receipt. Thirdly, what's with all these fucking self-cashier or self-checkouts? And like they have the conveyor belt ones like at Walmart?

SPEAKER_01

Yeah.

ANTHONY

You know, the like the full lines.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah.

ANTHONY

They're not fucking all open. Like, what is the point of that?

SPEAKER_01

Yeah.

ANTHONY

So you just did a remodel to put in all these self-checkouts, and you have, what is it, like eight self-checkouts plus the like four with the conveyor belt that are never open. So you just did a remodel. You spent how much money installing these things, and now you're not fucking using them. Are you fucking kidding me? That's like money down the goddamn drain. I remember when High V first opened here, they had all the self-checkouts on the side where the pharmacy is. And then like after a few months, they like uninstalled them. I was like, what are you fucking doing? Oh, I'm just thinking because this, it's like, how much money do you spend installing those for four months? And now how much money are you spending uninstalling them?

NALEE

Yeah.

ANTHONY

Like, if you guys want to throw money away, I will give you my bank account information, throw it into my fucking checking.

NALEE

We won't need it. We go with a lottery. It's okay.

ANTHONY

That's my soap. Speaking of which, I didn't get lottery tickets this month. I'll get them.

NALEE

It's okay. You go on a vacation. It's fine.

ANTHONY

That's a kind of money. I'm gonna get them in another state.

NALEE

Hey, for real. Okay. But yeah, I agree. Like, I mean, I've already said it. Like, why? For why? For why. That's it. Alright, what are your topics? What are your topics? Think about it. You go over there, sit, and think about it.

ANTHONY

Okay, so the one topic that I had was small talk sh would be shattered. So, like, if everybody had to speak honest, you know, and be truthful for like one day, there's not gonna be any more, like, how are you doing, or any fake compliments, or none of that small talk, which I would be a fucking okay with because there's nothing that I hate more than being forced to have small talk with somebody.

NALEE

Yeah, I was gonna comment on that. My

Small Talk Finally Dies

NALEE

face is a stupid thing. But I was gonna say that like I hate nothing more than people who give you compliments just so that you could give them a compliment back. Or like you giving them a compliment and they're just kind of like waiting for you, which is the same thing I just said, waiting for you to say something back to them. You know what I mean? Like to me, like I didn't Oh, go ahead.

ANTHONY

No, I was it's you're fine. It's that goes back to the whole thing that you were saying earlier about like authenticity.

NALEE

Yeah. Because my thing is I actually just realized that there are people out there that do that. And I I didn't know that. Where like they would just give you compliments just so that you would compliment them, which is a little insane. It's a little delusional. I mean, I'm crazy, but not that level crazy. You know what I mean?

ANTHONY

So that's not why you give me compliments. It's not so that I compliment you back.

NALEE

No, you're you you compliment me most of the time. I'm like, I need to improve on giving compliments. I feel like. Sorry, my vibrator's going off again. Let's let it finish. Okay, now it's done.

ANTHONY

That was a real quick get-off.

NALEE

That was real kick one.

ANTHONY

I'm gonna disagree with you on that. I think you give me way more compliments than I give you.

NALEE

You think so?

ANTHONY

Yeah. Especially when I'm like editing the pod and like all you'll like give me compliments. And I'm just gonna say this up front because every time that I come across one and I'm editing, I just wanna say like I get really uncomfortable receiving. I don't like receiving compliments, first off. And secondly, when I do receive a compliment, I always feel the need to give a compliment back.

NALEE

Mmm. You know, that's so funny. I had this conversation with somebody that I recently met, and we had this exact conversation about g like not knowing how to receive. I think that's part of that. Where like you feel weird and you don't like like people giving you compliments, kind of the same way as in you don't like people paying for your stuff. Like you prefer to pay for your own stuff. You know what I mean? I think it's because you feel that it's transactional. So then when you get a compliment.

ANTHONY

Specifically saying me.

NALEE

No, no, no, no. Like in general, I think like the situation of the situation of not being able to accept a compliment or not being able to like the example that I gave, like allow people to pay to pay for your stuff. It's because you feel like it's transactional. You feel like, oh, well, if I give you this, then you're gonna have to give me something back, kind of that kind of way. So when you do receive a compliment, you're just kind of like, eh, you know what I mean? Yeah. But that's how I feel. I don't know if that's I don't know if that's real or not, but I feel I feel that way because it's like what you said. Like when somebody gives you a compliment, you feel like you have the need to give it back to them. And that's kind of what I feel like too. Or like when I pay for stuff, like if I pay for it, or if they pay for me, I'm gonna be like, okay, I have to get you next time. And I like have anxiety where I'm like, okay, this person paid this for me last time, so I have to remember the next time I meet them, I have

Learning To Take A Compliment

NALEE

to pay for their stuff. Yeah. Yeah.

ANTHONY

Yeah. Or it's like, or it's like when we would do like our Christmas with like Melissa, like, yeah. If like I didn't get you guys anything and you got me something, like I'm like in the back of my head, I'm like, well, fuck, now I gotta get them something.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah.

ANTHONY

You know, or like those events where it's like we said we're not gonna get gifts, and then like somebody does gifts or something. But just going back to the whole like compliment thing, like as far as I go, like everything that you just said really makes sense. Like personally, I just don't like receiving compliments because I don't see them. Do you feel like you don't deserve them? Not that I it's not that I don't deserve them. I think that I like to think of myself, and maybe I'm wrong, maybe this isn't how the world sees me, which is fine. But like I like to think of myself as very like humble. Like, I don't want the compliments, I don't want the attention on me. So it's like even at work, like I had a conversation today with one of my specialists. They had they had an interview, and they were, they messaged me and they were like, Oh, by the way, I I I really complimented you to our manager or whatever it was. And I was like, I got a little, I don't want to say uncomfortable. I was very appreciative, it was very nice, but like I don't feel that and I don't want them. I I think I may even made the comment, I'm like, oh, you're blowing a lot of smoke up my ass right now.

NALEE

Yeah.

ANTHONY

Like, I just don't want them because I don't want that attention. I want my work to speak for itself, and I don't, I don't need like just tell me it's it great work. Great. You know what I mean? Yeah, like, yeah.

NALEE

So I'm just like overdo it, just like done kind of a thing.

ANTHONY

Yeah. And like you don't even necessarily need to do it. So like every time that you're like, oh, you're getting so skinny, I'm like, no, I'm not. I don't see it. I don't feel it. I appreciate it and I appreciate the the acknowledgement, but I don't see it. So it's like if I don't see it, I don't know. You know what? All I gotta say is I'm word vomiting right now.

NALEE

All I gotta say is just shut the fuck up and accept it.

ANTHONY

I do. Well, I do accept it. I just I don't know it just makes me feel uncomfortable, is that's the bottom line.

NALEE

It's the thing of faking it till you make it, even if you don't accept it, even if you don't feel comfortable about it. Because I'm saying it to myself too. Like I, it's this vibrator needs to stop showing up when I talk because now it's looking like I'm actually using a vibrator.

ANTHONY

But I'm starting to think that you got one of those ones that you like hook up to your phone and like you must have a you must have a gentleman caller stuff.

NALEE

I haven't gotten to that yet, but that's a good topic to talk about. But anyways, with people.

ANTHONY

Fun toys.

NALEE

I see I forgot what I was gonna say now. Like my brain has been mush mush lately. Like I can't think properly. What was I talking about again before my stupid vibrator like interrupted me?

ANTHONY

I think you were about to talk about you give yourself compliments. That's right.

NALEE

Okay. So like for me, you guys know, like, even with like when we you give me compliments in the pods, like I get all giggly and weird and stuff. Like that's my that's my tick of being nervous or like shy, or like I'm like, uh, you know, but I'm also learning that if I know that you're a genuine person and you're giving me a compliment, it's low-key kind of disrespectful if you're not accepting it either. You know what I mean? Like if I I give you a compliment, it's not it's not a sense of disrespect, but it's just like you're not taking what I'm saying at face value. Like, let's say if I say, wow, you're really pretty, or wow, you've gotten really skinny, and I actually mean that, and you're just like, eh, to me, it kind of I don't feel this way, but I'm just saying that people can feel like, oh, well, you're disregarding how I feel. You're disregarding what I'm saying at face value. You know what I mean? Yeah.

ANTHONY

No, I see what you're saying. Yeah. And like just for the for the record, for the listeners out there, it's never ever like I'm like, don't compliment me or don't talk me up. It just makes me feel uncomfortable. I will be gracious, I will show gratitude, I will be appreciative of the compliments, the boost, ego boost or whatever. But at the end of the day, like it makes me feel uncomfortable.

NALEE

Okay, we gotta dig deeper to that. So you're a giver. You don't like me saving you a giver.

ANTHONY

I might yeah, really, honestly, at the end of the day, I'm a and you can spin that however you want all the way around, including point blank period. Yes, point blank period. I'm a fucking giver.

NALEE

Okay. No, I I'm the same way too. I think that's why we kind of have that thing where like it's weird when somebody does something for me because I'm so used to doing it for them, or I'm so used to doing stuff. Where like when it comes to me, I'm just like, eh, where's the cameras at? Like, yeah, you know? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

ANTHONY

No, I yeah.

NALEE

Is that what I sounded like? Bitch.

ANTHONY

A little bit. I thought that's what you were gonna start going through.

NALEE

No, no, like you don't get pranked. Like, they're like, hey, where's the cameras at? Like, that's how I feel like when people compliment me, or like when people do something nice to me, I'm just like, where's the joke at? Where's the poo at? Like, what's going on? Tangent time. You know what I mean?

ANTHONY

Tangent time. Have you ever seen the movie Best Best Friends with Ryan Reynolds and Anna Ferris?

NALEE

Ryan Reynolds. And Amy Sarah. Anna Ferris. What is it called?

ANTHONY

Best friends. Or just I don't think I have.

NALEE

I don't think I have.

ANTHONY

Oh my God, you have to go watch that movie. Anna Ferris plays this, like, I don't know, she's a famous singer, and she's on her private jet, and she ends up putting something in the microwave with aluminum foil and it blows up. Oh my god. So they have to land the jet. And she's like, she's almost like the stereotypical, like overdramatic pop star diva. And they're in the they're yeah, but stupid. And so they have to land the jet, and she's on the phone and she's like, Daddy, we're down. She's like, wait, am I being punked? Where's Ashton? Ashton, where's Ashton?

NALEE

That's funny. Yeah, that's how I feel like. That's literally how I feel like sometimes. Like when something that's the thing too, is that like when something good happens, I'm like, this is suspicious.

ANTHONY

Where's the when's the other shoe gonna drop?

NALEE

Yeah, like this is suspicious. Like this is too good to be true, kind of a thing. And maybe it's because suspicious. Yeah, but I don't know. Maybe some of y'all can break it down for us. I don't know. Well, because like I don't know. A lot of stuff has just been happening that aren't really positive. And then I'm just like, oh yeah, this is about to go to shit. It's okay. You know what I mean? It's like one thing after another. So I'm just like, oh, yeah, get nothing for look forward. It's okay.

ANTHONY

You know what we should do?

NALEE

What should we do?

ANTHONY

We should both really like plug the podcast to our therapists and let them like therapise us by listening or watching to us. That's a good idea.

NALEE

That's a good idea.

ANTHONY

We need we need some actual clin licensed clinical therapists out there to watch and listen to our podcast and analyze us because we clearly have some fucking issues.

NALEE

We got issues. Yeah. Like you please analyze the fucking like abuse thing. I don't the fuck that's about. Now you got me thinking like shit, maybe I am actually really fucked up.

unknown

You know what I mean?

ANTHONY

You weren't abused as a child, were you? Maybe it's maybe that ties back to being chained to a fucking radiator heater as a child.

NALEE

Maybe. I don't know. No, my parents didn't abuse me, but my grandma did. No, your grandma did. Maybe. Exactly. But regardless, I just wanted to say that, like, I don't know what I was gonna say. Y'all just stop be some fucking fake ass bitches. That's it.

ANTHONY

Yeah.

NALEE

Damn, I just yelled at you guys. I'm sorry. That came out really harsh.

ANTHONY

I ain't apologizing. I ain't apologizing. Melly sorry. I ain't sorry. Just be more real and be like, there's no need to fake niceties. And I feel like I was. I'm gonna call myself out here. I'm gonna throw myself under the bus. When we worked at the further, would you agree that like I didn't really did I fake nice with people? Call me out here if I did.

NALEE

I say that for me, because I know you pretty well. Um, and I've seen you, but I think there are specific type of people or certain peoples that you were like that to, but I get it. I get it. Cause it's like, okay, you gotta do what you gotta do. You know what I mean? Um, but there were times where you were just straight up like fucking Pharaoh, and I'm just like, yay.

ANTHONY

But I think like are you talking about with people that we actually worked with? Or are you talking about people that I was on the phone with? Okay.

NALEE

Yeah, but I think you had a really good balance of like, okay, this person, yeah, I have to be serious, like, or this person, I'm gonna call her out on her shit, kind of a thing. Which is e which is equal. You know what I mean? Or balanced is what I meant to say.

ANTHONY

There's there's a difference between being fake and like being fake nice, yeah, and being honest and to the point without being uh maybe I'll bleep this if I need to, but without being a cunt. Like you're gonna trust me.

NALEE

You're gonna bleep the word cunt. We've said worse things than cunt.

ANTHONY

That's true. But I feel like there were times that like I was brutally honest without being a cunt, and I would dance that fine line. Yeah. There's there's just there's a way to say things without overstepping.

NALEE

Yeah.

ANTHONY

It's an art, and I encourage people to learn how to do it.

NALEE

It's your acting skills that you got when you were younger. It all comes back to childhood wounds. Oh, Romeo, Romeo, where art thou? Oh Romeo. Where art thou? Romeo.

unknown

Yeah.

NALEE

All right, what were your wait, that was one of them. See.

ANTHONY

That was one of them.

NALEE

My brain is like fucked up right now. Got too much shit going on.

ANTHONY

That's fine.

NALEE

If today didn't if today felt any more oh, how should I say it? Today felt the most Monday it's ever felt in a long time. Like today was definitely a fucking Monday. Yeah. I was like, when is it time to clock out? Because I'm ready to fucking go.

ANTHONY

Oh, trust me. I clocked out and I was gone. I sent a message. I was like, no, no, no, no, this is done, this is done, this is done. Bye.

NALEE

Yep, pretty much.

ANTHONY

Over it.

NALEE

All right, what's your next topic? If you didn't have anything else to add, nothing else on that topic.

ANTHONY

The last one would be family truths and how parents and siblings would stop sugarcoating everything. That kind of ties into the last topic. I feel like this would destroy a lot of families. Yeah. But at the same time, it would open up a lot of eyes. Was that your vibrator too? Or what was that?

NALEE

Some dumb person is probably riding their motorcycle doing something. Yeah.

ANTHONY

Is that what we're calling him now? Yeah. He's riding his motorcycle in DM.

NALEE

He's riding his motorcycle. Yep. Whoever he is, he's doing something. Yeah.

ANTHONY

But uh so this would probably rip up a lot of families if people were forced to be honest about how they felt towards certain family members or certain situations. But at the same time, that would be very illuminating because you know you have those people out there. I'm not one of them, clearly, but you have those people out there that are like, blood is thicker than water. Family is everything. All right, bitch. Day of truth now. Tell me how family is everything. When your brother just got done telling you that he thinks you're a butt-tooth backwoods doggy style and hoochie. I don't know.

NALEE

Whoa. That went somewhere else. How would he know that? Hello? Yeah, incestual beings. Anyways,

Family Truths And Real Loyalty

NALEE

yeah, I agree. I think for me, for sure, it would break a lot of like family ties and stuff like that. But I personally, like in my real life situation or whatever, I do not think that blood is thicker than water. I think it's those who continuously show up for you, those who continuously put you in your place respectfully. And honestly, those who respect you are those that are thicker than anything else in your life or whatever. And just because you're family does not mean that you're not toxic. Like, no. And I think we've talked about this before, but for sure, like I think that when it comes to family, there's a certain kind of way that you have to go about telling like truths if you actually respect that person. Like you don't have to say the nitty-gritty that you're a fucking doggy style two-cent bitch. Like, you don't gotta note it like that. You don't have to say it like that. But obviously, you know, when it comes to family, you wanna be honest, you want to say the truth. And um, for me, like this resonates in the sense of like sometimes like parents, they have favoritism, right? But they don't want to admit that they they have favoritism. But at the end of the day, it's like you clearly have a favorite though. Like, you know what I mean? And I think yeah, the dynamic of like parents and kids is a really like it could literally like make or break a relationship because obviously, like I don't have a situation. Well, I maybe I do, but like, sure, I'll I'll talk about my parents. Like, obviously, I love my mom and my dad, you know, like, but for me, like I've kind of done everything on my own because I don't want to have the it's gonna sound stupid, but I don't want to give them the the opportunity to say, it's because of me, that's why you have what you have. Like, yes, of course, like I was born because y'all like gave birth to me. I get it. But then when it comes to my adult life, I don't want to depend on them. And I know that like, and this isn't just my parents. I know other parents who say the same thing where they're like, Well, you wouldn't be here if it wasn't for me. Of course I wouldn't be here if it wasn't for you. But all the things that I've done, like, I take credit for that. Even my dumb choices, I take credit for that. You know what I mean?

ANTHONY

Yeah. And there's there's something to be said about those parents who try to take credit for things that their kids do on their own.

NALEE

Yeah, exactly.

ANTHONY

Like that's that's that's fucking weird.

NALEE

Yeah, but I mean, obviously, I'm I'm just like giving an example, and you know, but yeah, I mean, I don't know, family, when it comes to families, it's a sticky situation, but let's just say, like, if it's if it's a situation where like your siblings doing something really fucking stupid, like they're getting, I don't know, they're becoming a meth meth head or whatever. You say your two cents, and if they gonna keep doing meth, you do you boo. You know what I mean? Yeah. And that doesn't make you toxic. It makes them toxic because you're just like, okay, if you want to fuck up your life, you do what you gotta do.

ANTHONY

Would you cut? Let me ask you this. If you had a sibling, like let's say Polly started like doing meth, like would you cut them out of your life or would you keep them, keep her?

NALEE

This is Polly we're talking about. Let's see. I think it depends on the other.

ANTHONY

Does it really matter if it's Polly? Like, what if I say it's Linda or Milo?

NALEE

Well, they probably would say that I'm the one doing meth, so I don't know.

ANTHONY

Please don't do math. You have very beautiful teeth.

NALEE

Oh, my teeth are right. It's a little crooked. There's a space in the middle here. But, anyways, if uh my sibling did meth, I don't think I would cut them out, but I don't think I would ever give him money because I know what they're gonna do with it. And everything they say, I would take it with a grain of salt. I'd be like, okay, cool.

ANTHONY

So So, okay, so let's say Linda starts doing meth and she's like a meth addict and she loses her house, she loses her car, and she shows up at your house one day and she's like, I need a place to stay.

NALEE

I would say no, you need to go to the hospital and get checked in and you need a detox. You need to be sober before I do anything for you. That's what I would do.

ANTHONY

This really took another turn, so we decided not to turn down abuse and decided to go down drug abuse, substance abuse. All roads lead to abuse with us.

NALEE

Yo, we're so funny. I don't know if that's good or you know what? We just have a healthy dose dos. We just have a healthy dose of life. That's all it is.

ANTHONY

You are doing meth. Doth. I'm doing meth, so I can't say doth.

NALEE

That's mess up. That's so mess up. So mess up.

ANTHONY

Does this meth make my ass look big?

NALEE

Anyways, while we both stoked out there.

ANTHONY

A little bit.

NALEE

More messed out there, I should say.

ANTHONY

I think getting back on topic, I think that a a day of truth amongst families, though it can be damaging, I think at the end of the day, it could be really beneficial.

NALEE

It really weeds out who is there for you. Yeah, it really weeds out who really actually have your back.

ANTHONY

Yeah.

NALEE

Yep.

ANTHONY

Yeah, I agree with that.

NALEE

Period.

ANTHONY

Point blank, period. Well, that's all I had. Do you have anything else that you want to add, or shall we move on to our next segment?

NALEE

I just wanted to leave with one little note. Stop being fake, y'all. It's the thing again that I said those who matter don't mind, and those who mind don't matter. Like, there's no point of being fake. At the end of the day, you hurt yourself. That's all I gotta say.

ANTHONY

Preach it.

NALEE

You look like the monkey with the the what is it called? What are those things called? Symbols, yeah. I was gonna say trampoline, but that's clearly not what it is. Imagine if you had two trampolines doing that. It'd be really big. Okay. What feelings?

unknown

Okay.

NALEE

It big, huh? Our next segment is the truth about feelings. At this point, small talk is gone. Retail is Warzone, and obviously, let's get even deeper into some other fucking kind of abuse.

ANTHONY

God. The abuse of feelings. No. Uh feelings. Let's discuss feelings. All of them. Unedited, brutal, honest.

NALEE

Imagine a world where everyone actually says how they feel instead of bottling it up.

ANTHONY

Brace yourself for chaos and maybe some therapeutic breakthroughs. What did you want to discuss?

NALEE

Okay, so this probably relates to something that I taught or you something that we've already talked about, but parent-child dynamics, brutal truths about expectations, mistakes, and love. Y'all, I think that obviously parents right now, like if you have the opportunity to, I don't know, apologize for what you've done or own up to your mistakes, or, you know, like tell your children that, hey, like, I didn't know what I was doing. I was young too. And just kind of show them some vulnerability that like it was like you fucked up, or you know, you didn't mean for things to end how they were, you know, just to kind of give them a little bit of reassurance that, hey, I didn't know what I was doing too, and please forgive me for what I've done. I think if they just took that opportunity to talk to their child, they would get a lot less resentment from their kids compared to parents who don't give a shit about their kids or who continuously hurt their kids and not owning up to what they've done. You know what I mean?

ANTHONY

Yes, a thousand percent. Yeah. Yes, yes, yes. Obviously, our listeners should know by now I'm clearly not a parent. Clearly will never be a parent. And I'm just gonna throw out a brutal, honest truth from my perspective, in my opinion. I feel like this whole episode is really talking about like fine lines. There's like a middleman or a medium line that you need to find how to figure out to dance without crossing. And specifically when it comes to parenting, I feel like there's two types of parents out there. There's the parent that actually wants to parent, but they're that's all they do is they're like they parent, they tell you,

Feelings Unfiltered With Parents And Kids

ANTHONY

you know, what their expectations are, what what they want from you, what they want out of you, and they're very strict. And then there's the parent that is like, you know, mean girls, like, I'm not a regular mom, I'm a cool mom. Like they want to be more of a friend.

unknown

Yeah.

ANTHONY

You need to find that happy medium to like be both for your kids. Like it's one thing to be like, don't go, you can't go to this party because I don't want you drinking. Like, have a conversation. Like, yeah, I I'm pretty sure that back when you were 16 and you were in high school, you were going out and you were drinking and you were doing this and you were doing that. Like, why are you trying to hide that from your children? Like, just fucking have that conversation with them. By not having that conversation, you're actually making things worse.

NALEE

Exactly. Exactly. I agree.

ANTHONY

Like, you're not the golden child just because you're try now you're trying to make your child a golden child because of all the things that you did. Like, you can't protect them from everything.

NALEE

It's my turn to get up on a fucking soapbox now. That's one of the things that irks me the most is that when people do shit in their past, and then all of a sudden now it's in their past, they act like they're a fucking saint. And then when somebody else does it, they're all like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Like you're busy shit, blah blah blah. Like, oh no, no, no. You've been here before. You need to reflect on yourself and put yourself in their shoes and walk them through it instead of fucking pointing fingers at them and be like, you know what? I've been here before. Hold my hand. I know you, I know what you you're going through. Like, I got you. Instead of like, you know, like trying to make them feel little or trying to make you yourself feel better that, oh yeah, like I'm not like that. But clearly, you ain't no fucking saint either. You know what I mean? Like that shit bugs the fuck out of me. Again, it comes back to being authentic.

ANTHONY

Exactly. And it it's no, no, no, no need to apologize. You're fine. I'm I'm just interjecting on and everything that you're saying. But it's it's literally one of those things where it's like, if you experienced it, and I don't help me out here. I don't know exactly what the right word that I'm looking for, but like if it if it was a life lesson for you and you learned something from it, like, why would you hide that from your kid? Like, share your learning experience, share your knowledge with them.

NALEE

Like exactly.

ANTHONY

If you don't, like, and I'm just gonna use this for this is probably a really bad example, but let's say when you were you decided to lose your virginity when you were 15 and you got pregnant, and and you know, it really was a pivotal moment in your teenage life, and you had to make the decision to have an abortion. I know abortion's a big hot topic for some people, but let's just say that that was your choice, that was your experience. You went through that with your family. Why are you just gonna, and now now you have your own 15, 16-year-old who's starting to ask those questions and be interested in that. Why are you gonna hide this shit? Why are you gonna shield this from them? Like, the more that you do that, and if if I know anything as a kid, like if you're told not to do something, you're gonna want to do it more.

NALEE

You're gonna do it.

ANTHONY

And it's yeah, you're gonna do it. Especially, especially when your parents are like, don't do this.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah.

ANTHONY

Like, have that conversation. Like, what who are you protecting? Are you fucking Mother Teresa? Like, have that conversation with your kid. I, you know, I lost my virginity and this this happened to me. It's really gonna give them something to think about because now it's not a mythical conversation in a sex ed textbook in school. They can relate to it more. Like, hey, my mom got pregnant because she was a hoe. Because she was a hoe. She decided she wanted to bend over in some cornfield out in bum fuck Egypt for fucking two second, two pump chump billy bob. But no, seriously, have those conversations. Like, you're not mother Teresa. You made mistakes in your youth, you learned from it. Here's an opportunity for you to have a conversation with your child so that your child can learn from it as well, versus learning from a textbook or stories of people that they're never gonna meet on the news. You know what I mean?

NALEE

Yeah, yeah. I totally agree. I think for me, like the way I'm thinking about it is I agree 100% of what you're saying. But to add on to that is that like a little shame never killed anybody, though. Like, because you feel shame in your mistakes and stuff, like I get it. It's like a, it's like, it's like a very sometimes feel very very painful, like being like feeling shame and stuff. Like it's very hard to cope with. But everybody feels shame. Everybody feels embarrassed, everybody feels like they're fucked up some in some sort of way. Like me and Anthony just said, clearly we're some kind of fucked up, you know, but when it comes to when it comes to like your kids and stuff, you know, like I'm obviously not a parent. I hope that I don't know, maybe one day I have a child. I don't know, you know, but if that day comes, it does. If it doesn't, whatever. But regardless of the fact is that like, again, wouldn't you want to voice your your mistakes, your opinions, your experiences to your kids so that they at least have knowledge that, oh, if I go this path, most likely this is gonna happen. But if I decide to go this this path, this path, this path. Yeah, meth. If I decide to go this path, my parents will be there for me no matter what, you know? And again, it comes back to what I've said before when it comes down to being a friend or a parent or whatever. No matter how fucked up I did, no matter how much I fucked up, at the end of the day, the only thing I need is your support. I just need to know that if I become a piece of shit, if I become a meth head, if I I don't fucking know, do something that's really bad. I got into a car accident, accidentally killed somebody, whatever. I don't know whatever the fuck. But like if there's a life-changing event in my life and I know that I can't do it by myself, I need you. I need that, that uh community, I need that support, I need that love, I need that strength so that I, in turn, can see that I'm not a worthless piece of shit too. You know what I mean? But when you get that buildup, you don't have that support, then of course you're gonna go down a spiral, you're gonna get depressed, you're gonna be like, oh yeah, I am actually a piece of shit. I am, I did fuck up, I did do all of this. I'm not a good person. Like, I don't deserve to be here. And that's kind of, I feel like, look at me solving our world problems. I feel like at the end of the day, whether you're a child, your parent, your friend, I don't know, your fuck buddy, ow, I don't know, whatever you are, we just gotta be more supportive of each other. Like, you know, like it goes a long way.

ANTHONY

It all boils down to just like open communication. Like, yeah, have those conversations, have the communication. And I think you hit it right on the head when you're like, if I'm going through this or I'm having this life, or if I'm having this life-changing experience or something, or situation, like I don't need you there to judge me. I don't need you there to condemn my choices. I need you to support me.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah. Period.

ANTHONY

Like, and maybe three years, a year from now, three years from now, five years from now, we can both look back on it and laugh. And then you can be like, You were so fucking stupid for doing that.

NALEE

Period. Then judge me.

ANTHONY

I don't give a shit.

NALEE

Yeah.

ANTHONY

Like, but in the moment, I'm I'm coming to you. I need your support.

unknown

Yeah.

ANTHONY

I need your love. Anything else, fucking piss off.

NALEE

Exactly. And what did I say before? Yeah, what have I said before? Vulnerability is a superpower. Being empathetic is a superpower. Feeling empathy towards somebody is a superpower because not a lot of people have that. You know, I'm a I'm a I'm a superhero because I have a lot of that, you know. Regardless, you guys, just be supportive of each other. And if you don't have anybody, must say it again. TwinTangents podcast at gmail.com. The official TwinTangents podcast at gmail.com. Send us an email. You know where to find our socials Instagram, TikTok, Facebook, twintents.com. Message us. If you don't have anybody to support you, we got you. Your hype girls are. We're always looking for new friends. Your hype man's right there. Exactly. So y'all know what to do. You know what to do.

ANTHONY

You know what to do. You know how to find us. Get on it.

NALEE

Get it. Get her done.

ANTHONY

Okay. Mary the King guy. Get her done.

NALEE

And get her dun. All right. What was your topic?

ANTHONY

Did you Are you done? Did you have any more that you wanted to?

NALEE

Uh no, that was my topic. That was it for me.

ANTHONY

Okay, you don't look 100% sure, but alright.

NALEE

Yeah. No, sorry, I took me to say that.

ANTHONY

No, you're fine. So my topic was friendship truths and like using it as an opportunity to find out like which friends are really loyal and which are fake.

NALEE

I feel like I don't know how I feel about that. For me. Why is that? Because I don't need okay, maybe you might need to explain it a little bit because the way that I'm thinking about it is that like you're you're kind of fishing to see who is loyal to you or whatever, right? Is that what we're talking about?

ANTHONY

No, I wouldn't necessarily say fishing, but like just think about like all of your relationships and your friendships right now in your life.

NALEE

Oh, like you're being honest to yourself.

ANTHONY

Yeah. Well, not to yourself, but like for them to be honest. So like if you were to wake up tomorrow, like and everybody had to be honest and like be truthful, like I think that this would be a really good opportunity to find out like which friends like are loyal and which ones genuine to you. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_01

Like, we clearly thought about this wrong, but yeah.

ANTHONY

Well, and maybe I'm thinking about it wrong. This is kind of what I how I interpreted this when I was like reading through this segment. Okay, tell me more. Well, I'm just thinking, like, if I were to wake up tomorrow and like, let's I mean, not that you do this, but I'm gonna use use you as an example.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, utilize.

ANTHONY

Every time, every time we FaceTime, you're like, oh, you look you're looking so good, you're looking so skinny, you're losing weight. Now, if I were to wake up tomorrow and be like, FaceTime you, and you're like, don't say anything like that, or you're being honest with me, and it's kinda it would be kind of like an eye-opener to be like, okay, well, now this these compliments aren't coming. So were you being fake the entire time?

SPEAKER_01

Yeah.

ANTHONY

So that that was kind of how I was interpreting this when I Okay, okay, like chose this.

SPEAKER_01

Interesting.

ANTHONY

I thought about this category.

NALEE

Okay. How I thought about it was friendship truth. Like, and I could be wrong. I don't know, but I'm gonna say it anyways. It's saying which friends are really loyal and which are fake. For me, I feel like a lot of people do this where they would test their friends a little bit with information, right? It's like it comes back down to the old days of playing telephone, right? You would be like, oh, I'm gonna tell this person this, see if it carries on. And the way I thought about it is I wouldn't do that. I've told you guys plenty of times. If I have an issue with you, I will go straight to the source. I ain't gonna play telephone. I don't got time for that. And I think that's the great thing about the friendships that I do have is that you're honest with each other from the get-go. And if you feel a certain way, no matter how the other person feels, you're coming from a pa place of love. And if they know that that's who you are, they would not get pissed at you. They would be like, oh, I didn't even think of it like that. Or they would be like, hey, yeah, like I'm sorry, I didn't I didn't even think of it like that. You know, compared to people who are like,

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NALEE

they act nice in front of you and they are around when like they're good times, but then all of a sudden when you lose a fucking arm and a leg and you need somebody to come and pick you up at the hospital, or nobody. Yeah, exactly. Nobody's around. Or, you know, and to me, like how I see that is the true testament between like friendship truths is again actions. Words speak louder than actions. Wait, actions speak louder than words.

ANTHONY

Way to flop that.

NALEE

I know. I was on such a good fucking like momentum.

ANTHONY

You were too. That makes more sense. I really like I like the way I like your approach for that.

NALEE

Yeah. Is it thundering over there too?

ANTHONY

No, it just got really dark.

NALEE

Oh, did it? Yeah, but then yeah, I mean, that's how it should be. You shouldn't because my thing is I shouldn't need a fucking second guess my best friend. I should already know how they are from the get-go. Like if I were into a situation, I'm like, I know exactly what Anthony would do in this situation with that.

ANTHONY

I was just gonna say, it sh it should be one of the, like, when it comes to friendships, it should be one of those things where it's like, you know, if I truly value your input and like what you bring to the table in the relationship, like if I'm ever in a situation, I should be able to be like, okay, what would Nolly tell me right now?

NALEE

Exactly.

ANTHONY

Without being like, what would Nolly do? You know what I mean? Yeah. Yeah. Like I should be able to be like, in the event this were to happen, this is what Nolly would say. And then if I were to call you, we were to go dinner together or something and I discussed it, like what I hear you say in my head should theoretically match what comes out of your mouth when I exactly.

NALEE

Yeah. And that's how it should be. When you know your friends well enough, when you guys have built that like genuine connection of like, oh, I know he'll be honest with me. Like every time I do something stupid, like honest to God, I'm like, Anthony's probably judging me right now.

ANTHONY

Like I don't ever judge you.

NALEE

A lying ass ho. But that's besides the point. But you know what I mean? Like, that's how I thought about the topic that you were talking about. Like, when it comes to friendship truths, like it's better to go to the source, be honest from the get-go, then be a fucking fake ass bitch again. Again, stop being so fake, you guys. You don't need to be fake. If you don't like me, you don't like me. Move the fuck along. There's other people who want to be your friend, okay? And if you don't want to be my friend, you're fucking stupid, because I'm fucking cool as hell. Anthony's fucking cool as hell.

ANTHONY

You're fucking lost.

NALEE

Yeah. You're fucking loss.

ANTHONY

Fucking losers. Just kidding. Be our friends.

NALEE

I know. Be our friend. But, you know, it is what it is what it is. So yeah. What did you have to talk about?

ANTHONY

That was what I had to talk about. That was literally my topic.

NALEE

Oh, uh, I don't know. My brain really has been mush. I don't know what the fuck is going on. You guys, I need to go to a mental incident. Nothing's computing up here. But anyways.

ANTHONY

It's not clocking, bro.

NALEE

It's not clocking. But hold on. I since we're talking about that, I just want to do a little shout out to my man Justin Bieber. He does such a good job of the Coachella performance. Like, I'm not sure. Did you go to Coachella? I didn't, but I I watched it. I saw it. I saw some performances. I fucking love Justin Bieber. He's my man's. I'm his I'm his um A1 from Day One fan. Loved his.

ANTHONY

He performed, I said, last year at like the VMAs or something.

SPEAKER_01

Uh-huh.

ANTHONY

Where he just like stood on stage by himself.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, that's why he normally does. No, I don't, but yeah.

ANTHONY

It was such a bad performance. I couldn't fast it. I thought it was. Oh. Again, just an opinion from not an avid Justin Bieber fan.

NALEE

So I don't know. I have I love him. I don't think other than the fact that he looks a little janky right now. I love Justin Bieber through and through. I'm your number one fan. But yeah, you ready to go on to the next segment?

ANTHONY

Yeah. Do you have anything else for this segment? Are you we're good? Move on.

NALEE

Again, stop being fake bitches.

ANTHONY

Stop being fake. It's not so hard. Like, just be real.

NALEE

Just be real.

ANTHONY

What do you get out of it? That's what I want to know.

NALEE

More fucking shit built up in here. More time in therapy? That's what you get out of it. If you go to therapy.

ANTHONY

Well, don't go to therapy, but like, what's the purpose of it? Like, I don't have time to compliment the urban.

NALEE

Would one of you guys find out? Let us know, please. Let us know in the comments.

ANTHONY

Contemplate these questions. Yeah. Okay. All right. Let's move on. Our third and final segment. Truth bombs everywhere. Small talk is dead. Feelings are unleashed. Our third and final segment. Society in chaos, or is this liberation?

NALEE

Yeah. The big question is would humanity collapse or would we actually thrive? It's actually a really good question.

ANTHONY

That is a really good question. But I have another one for you.

NALEE

Okay.

ANTHONY

Would society implode in chaos, or could honesty actually make life better?

NALEE

Damn, that thunder came right through.

ANTHONY

Oh, did you hear that?

NALEE

Yeah, I did.

ANTHONY

Yeah. All right. And it lightning too.

NALEE

Oh, did it?

unknown

Yeah.

NALEE

Okay, well, I hope that it doesn't rain over here. Cross my fingers. But anyways. I hope it doesn't rain over here. Everywhere. Everywhere. I hope it doesn't rain. I mean, I love rain. Everywhere. I love rain, but just not today. Just not today, okay? Not today. Not today. Let's talk about the riffle riffle. Let's talk about the ripple effects when nobody can lie, even politely. Okay, let's start with your topics first. Your topics first.

ANTHONY

Okay, so the first topic that I had would be corporate truths, just because I thought this one would be fun. Can you imagine CEOs admitting what's really happening behind the scenes?

NALEE

Yeah, that's that would be insane. That would be insane.

ANTHONY

It would be insane, but I feel like and this is just my humble opinion, as an employee who's worked for corporate corporations before, it does more damage to do the whole song and dance about not being transparent and hiding things from your staff.

NALEE

I agree. That's when like oh go ahead.

ANTHONY

Yeah. No, I was just gonna say, like, like, what do you get out of that? What is the purpose? Because at the end of the day, as CEO or the manager of a department or whatever, when the decisions that affect the staff are your decision, like why are you hiding it? Like, just be transparent and be like, as much as I hate this, it's literally one of those because I said so sort of situations.

NALEE

Yeah. Yeah. I was just gonna say that, like, normally though, like when you know, like as a worker, that shit's like going down, that's when you know to jump ship. I mean, uh obviously I have loyalty to my employer, whatever. But the thing is, is that if they're hiding something from you and you feel it, get the fuck out. Mother Nature is doing her thing over here.

ANTHONY

Is it raining?

NALEE

It's raining.

ANTHONY

But yeah, but I'm also like, I'm not there was a stop sign there, asshole. Fucking people don't know how to drive.

NALEE

We're so fucking oh, we're talking about the weather and like traffic and shit.

ANTHONY

In my defense, as somebody who doesn't like kids, I do live again by a school. So when you're literally going through a stop sign by a school, I

Would Society Collapse Or Thrive

ANTHONY

kind of want to throw spikes down.

NALEE

There's still there's still Anthony is still a human being, okay? Even if you don't like kids.

ANTHONY

He's still a human being. It's like a He won't save kids from a murderer, you guys.

NALEE

I wouldn't. I'm gonna be like Deuce. Yeah.

ANTHONY

I'm the good person here, people. No, I get what you're saying, as far as like if shit's going down and like worried about staff jumping shif, but I'm also like thinking about like everything in general, right? Like, like, oh you're we're we're buying out another company or we're we're merging with another company. Like, why are you gonna hide that? Like, just be transparent. Yeah. Okay, that face was rude, but I know why I did that face. But I honestly don't, but we'll discuss it later, I think.

NALEE

Okay, okay. If you say so, if you say so, but okay. Yeah, I mean, I don't have much to add to that. I'm just saying that like I feel and I agree that like there's no point of CEOs hiding stuff because again, at the end of the day, it's gonna make it worse for the company, worse for the employees, and that's probably how massive layoffs happen. Just saying. But yeah.

ANTHONY

Or worse.

NALEE

Yeah. Bankruptcy.

ANTHONY

Why why can't we like just be transparent with people?

NALEE

I don't know. Again, it comes back to even CEOs being fucking fake and shit. You know what I mean? I don't know. But what was your other did you have anything else to add to that?

ANTHONY

Well, I yes. Let's let's piggyback off of that and let's go at it from like the other angle. Like, let's talk about like employees and bosses finally being honest about pay and workload. This is something that I feel like really needs to be addressed, especially in the corporate office. Like, bitch, I ain't paid to do that. It sounds so bad to say, but it's like, what like what is the purpose of like providing me with a job description that I'm applying for, and then I get the job and then I do said job, and then you're asking me to do X, Y, and Z that ain't in my job description.

NALEE

Yeah, that's I agree with that. I feel like because, you know, obviously, for example, like if you're doing a job, like you said. That comes with the description, but if you're getting like additional things on top of that, at least compensate me for what the fuck I'm doing, though. You know what I mean? Like pay me a little bit more, and I wouldn't complain about it. But if you're telling me to do a whole fucking list and you're just like, yeah, you're just gonna get the same salary or the same pay, I'm gonna be pissed. And I'm gonna half-ass the shit that I do.

ANTHONY

And I personally do.

NALEE

Hold on. Let me just clarify. Not that I do. I'm just saying. Like in a perfect world, I would half-ass shit. But I know that my team relies on me. So the girl's gonna pull me through.

ANTHONY

You're a lot better than I am, then, because I half-assed some things that are not on my job description. Like when I'm literally stuck doing things that are not my department, but I'm being asked to do it because it's quicker than to send it to another department to have them to do it.

NALEE

Oof. Yeah.

ANTHONY

Like let's have that open conversation. Let's have an honest conversation about how, okay, if you want me to do these things, you go and give me more money.

NALEE

Exactly.

ANTHONY

You're gonna respect me a little bit more. And you know how these corporations get by with that? They preach this whole, we're a team bullshit. Bitch, we ain't no team. We ain't no team, because if we a team, you ain't gonna be calling me to reprimand me and you write me up. We're gonna have a team meeting, and everybody gonna get reprimanded, and everybody gonna get written up.

NALEE

Yeah, for sure. And I think that's also one thing, too, that I that I was gonna talk about, that when it comes to employees in bosses and stuff like that, not everybody who gets cred who deserves credit gets it. Those who really didn't deserve credit gets it. You know what I mean? I don't know how to always say it. Like credit is never like given to where it's due, pretty much is what I'm trying to say. Like you could be, you could be, you know, logging in like I don't know, 80, I don't know, 90 hours, and then not get said anything about, and then there's this other person, and I'm not saying that this isn't my current job, but I'm just saying that like you could be working your ass off as a team lead, but your manager gets all the shit for it. Like they get all the good stuff for it when you're the

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NALEE

one who's working your ass. Or vice versa, you know what I mean? Yeah. But I think I think one important thing is that when it comes to like employers, is really, really give credit where it's due. You know what I mean? Like, do your research on the shit that your employee actually puts out and like reward them. Put credit where it's due. Again, give them a bonus. Like, come on.

ANTHONY

Yeah. And for me personally, that kind of goes back to our conversation earlier about how like I don't I don't like receiving compliments or like anything like that. So like I have I have people on my team that are always like, you're doing such a great job, or they're feeding me compliments, or they're telling me this. And I'm like, none of that credit like belongs to me. Like, yeah, as like as at like in my current position, I'm a team lead. Like, you guys are doing all the work. I'm literally just your second set of eyes to make sure that nothing gets missed, nothing slips through the cracks. Like, yeah, I tell my team this all the time. I'm like, I'm no, I'm sure you're already on this. I'm sure that you're aware of this. It's already on your radar. But like FYI, you know, these cases are due today, or whatever it may be. And I'm just doing that as for my peace of mind. I've done my diligence, I've put the ball out there, but I know that they're already aware of it and I know that they're already working on it. They're the ones doing all the work. All the credit goes to them. I don't want any of that credit. I'm not taking any of that credit.

NALEE

Yeah. And I I agree. I think doing that is probably better than just not even saying anything. You know what I mean? And just being quiet and stuff. And I think I'm only speaking from my own personal experience. I think like obviously doing the job that I'm doing now, you do see like the work. Like you could tell when somebody's a hard worker and you could tell when somebody's slacking off, you know? 100%. And 100%. I think again, I'm probably said it like a thousand times, but just put credit where it's due. Like, if you didn't do it, don't fucking take credit for it. Give credit to whoever did do it. You know what I mean? And that just shows kind of like autonomy in like the company, uh if anything. You know what I mean?

ANTHONY

Mm-hmm. So I agree with that.

NALEE

It is what it is, is what it is. I do agree with you, just to kind of piggyback on what you said. I don't think it would change anything, because again, people are kind of set in their ways, and I think again, people don't like change, and it when it comes to change, people freak out. So it's probably gonna make shit worse. But if today taught us anything, the truth is terrifying, it's hilarious, and it's it is exhausting for sure. Still unhinged, still chaotic. Stop beating some fake ass hoes, and still twin tangents. Bye.

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